2020/02/28 EP1 ¦ 武漢肺炎 國外反亞情緒 股市崩盤 #股癌 #謝孟恭 #Podcast #逐字稿


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歡迎收聽股癌的第一期線上節目,我是謝孟恭


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今天的時間是2月28號的凌晨2點41分


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我從凌晨12點半錄開頭1到5分鐘左右


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一直瘋狂的咳嗽


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可來個靠北,我已經錄了30幾次了,到現在我決定豁出去了


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如果大家咳嗽,我就是把嘴巴離開麥克風,就這樣就好了


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請大家多多擔待


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那很多人都想說你是不是得了武漢肺炎啊,沒有啦


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我3個禮拜前在西班牙的時候


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本來是先在義大利感冒


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那這個感冒之後呢,後來


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本來就是只有小症狀,那後來到這個西班牙的時候就變得很嚴重


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所以就跑去看醫生


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那去看醫生前其實是非常糾結的,因為


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現在在歐洲呢,其實反亞洲人的這個氣氛


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是蠻濃厚的


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因為我每年都會在歐洲待一陣子,所以


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今年的感覺絕對是非常明顯的,我以前都沒有這樣的感覺


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當然就是因為武漢肺炎的關係,其實他們在地的媒體呢,把它


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爆得非常可怕


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我那時候還在義大利跟西班牙的時候,義大利是3例確診,而且都是中國人


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西班牙是2例,也都是中國人


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就是有個位數而已


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但是他們當地的媒體把它渲染的很嚴重,不過當然現在看來是很嚴重啦


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但當時呢,其實是有一點我認為是


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針對中國人的這個


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報導方式去做的,那當然針對中國人呢,其實到最後就是


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一定是一起達到所有的亞洲人


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很多人會想說,你不是台灣人嗎?不是日本人嗎?


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韓國人嗎?不是不一樣嗎?不然你掛個小國旗


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沒有啦,其實那沒有屌用,因為


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在地會知道你是哪裡的人太少了


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真的太少了,所以


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他們可能就是看你的膚色,最簡單就是看你的膚色嘛


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那當然就是目前在歐洲的氛圍,就是看到亞洲人會閃


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有些計程車會聚在


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那在一些餐廳呢,像譬如說在羅馬的餐廳就有上新聞


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他們就是拒接中國人


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不過當然這個羅馬的市長有出來譴責啦


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那,譴責也沒有什麼用,因為大家還是怕嘛


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就是在這樣的氛圍之下,其實那時候很猶豫到底要不要去看醫生


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那大家還是覺得說不行啦,生病了就還是要去看一下


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到底是什麼樣的狀況


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所以到了醫院之後呢,就付了八千多塊的


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診療費用


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那大家當然很緊張啊,看到亞洲人進來


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他的那個牆上就已經貼了一個中國地圖


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不過當然就是把台灣也包含在裡面


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然後把武漢標出來,就說你


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最近呢,有沒有到武漢,請幫助我們治療你


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他就問我說,你有沒有去過武漢啊?我說


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呃,沒有,我是台灣來的,我從來沒有去過武漢


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那我也沒有去過中國


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那他就想說,好吧沒關係


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那你就排隊等治療


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那馬上就,當然就先把那個口罩塞給我


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我自己是想買口罩,不過其實已經買不到口罩了


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整個歐洲的口罩都被中國人


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以中國人為主啦,當然亞洲很多人也有在掃


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以中國人為主,他們把口罩都掃光了


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所以基本上是買不到口罩的


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他就給了我一個口罩


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然後全部人當然很緊張啊,我進去


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診間的時候,護士就先


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幫我消毒,全身消毒,手消毒


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給我戴上醫療手套


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然後噴消毒液


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然後醫療頭套,之後醫生才進來看我


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不過,看下來呢


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是沒事啦,還好是沒有事情


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打了退燒針之後


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開了藥就叫我回去了


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那回去之後


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其實就好很多了,只是到現在


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還是會有這種零星的咳嗽


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所以那時候


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回來的時候,其實我蠻老實的


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我當然老實是應該的啦


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因為義大利跟台灣


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已經斷航了


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所以我從義大利的fiumicino


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我必須到法蘭克府


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去轉機回來台灣


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在法蘭克福的時候呢


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就有這個當地的大媽地勤


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穿著華航的制服


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這時候才覺得說,哇操原來那個


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這個


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華航制服好看是看人啦


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然後台灣的空姐穿起來很好看


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可是這個大媽穿起來


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就...


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那他就給我填了一份就是說


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你要先自我檢驗


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你有沒有去過武漢


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或是有沒有去過中國或香港


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那時候是這樣啦


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因為那時候主要的疫區是這樣


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那如果有的話,你要承認


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因為如果你不承認的話,你必須要承擔這個


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法律的責任,那當然就沒有嘛


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就上飛機了,上飛機之後呢


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他又再給我們寫了另外一張就是說


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你有沒有


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發燒,你有沒有感冒


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你有沒有咳嗽,那我當然就是很承認


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就全部都勾起來了


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那下飛機之後,本來自己已經有心理準備說


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應該是會


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如果沒有被隔離,應該也是居家隔離


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一個十四天吧


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因為畢竟我有生病,不過其實在那個


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通關的時候呢


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他看到我有勾


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那就是把我拉到隔壁去量體溫


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量完之後就放我走


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我說啊我不用隔離嗎,他就說


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你不是預計回來的


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誰知道現在義大利變成疫區


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那時候我的


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丈母娘


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她住義大利,她就講說


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不如你就不要回台灣好了啦


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現在台灣的疫情這麼嚴重


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你就留在這裡吧,看怎麼樣再說


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那我那時候想說


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嗯,沒錯,賺錢有數,生命要顧


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就留在那好了


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但後來就是


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一轉念一想,沒有沒有


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生死有命,富貴在天,幹,還是要回來賺錢


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所以就還是決定要回來


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現在看起來就是非常棒的決定


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因為本來義大利只有3例


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後來一路暴增到500多例


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到現在呢


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他們,我看一下這個資料


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義大利目前


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528例,死亡14個


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痊癒42個,而且他們有非常


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多的重症


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那因為義大利我


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好幾年都有去


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待的時間都不短


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就我對他們的觀察,第一個當然就是


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亞洲人其實他們本身都不喜歡戴口罩


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因為他們認為說戴口罩


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就是生病的人才要戴


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那不然就是說


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還有另外一個說法就是說


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如果你生病到需要戴口罩,那你根本連出門都不應該


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出門


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所以戴口罩在那邊是異類,不管你是不是亞洲人


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你只要戴口罩,大家就是盯著你看


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所以他們不喜歡戴口罩


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也沒有什麼預防的觀念


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認為說戴口罩可以避免


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疾病啊,我在這個大眾運輸


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上面要戴,沒有沒有,都沒有這樣的想法


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那第二點呢,是因為他們的醫療費用比較貴


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那這個以他現在


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大爆發的米蘭啊,或者說


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羅馬啊,這種大城呢,其實他們有


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很多的


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外籍人士,或者說


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移民啊,他們


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沒有辦法去負擔醫療


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因為連義大利人自己看醫生也不便宜啦


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所以他們很多


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很多呢,會在


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真的病到受不了的時候


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才會去看醫生


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所以我判斷啦


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這也是因為


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因為真的病到已經沒有辦法


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那個症狀很嚴重


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所以可能到醫院


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也沒有辦法救你了啦


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所以才會搞得這麼嚴重


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那這次的崩盤


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很多媒體已經幫你寫出來了


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就是說,是因為義大利


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的疫情擴散


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所以可能嚇到了歐美區


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我認為,對啦


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是最主要的主力


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應該就是這樣沒錯


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因為歐盟的國家


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你申請之後,你就可以加入


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申根區


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那基本上大家喜歡去的觀光大國


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都是申根區的會員


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那深耕區的意思就是說


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如果你飛飛機,譬如說


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你飛到阿姆斯特丹


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那你在阿姆斯特丹那邊入境之後


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基本上你在其他的申根區


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的國家,你就可以自由走動了


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好像他們沒有國境一樣


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那也因為如此呢,他們的來往


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非常方便


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也就是說,像之前的難民事件


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很多難民從


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希臘上岸,然後就一路跑去德國


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就是暢行無阻


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就是一樣的道理啦


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所以現在很多人就擔心說,譬如說


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義大利爆掉了,那會不會其他的


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申根區跟著一起爆掉


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到最後整個歐洲爆掉


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那歐洲爆掉的過程,美國會不會跟著爆掉


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所以這個恐慌就出來了


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那


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美股呢,最近


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4天,從29100點


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下殺到現在


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今天是第5天


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今天呢,本來


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稍早也是1000點招待


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那後來來一個大的反彈


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彈到的26700多點


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那目前現在時間凌晨2點50分


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是26400點左右


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算是,目前看來


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是收了一個長長的下引線


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那看到下引線其實不要太興奮


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我知道很多人呢,看到下引線


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就會直覺的認為說


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這個是收了一個腳


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或者說他有支撐


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那技術分析其實


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有深有淺,每個人的看法


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不太一樣,當然能賺錢的就是好方法


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那我分享我的看法,我認為這個


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下引線呢,他其實就只是指說


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開盤之後往下殺


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資金把它買上來而已,就這麼單純


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資金把它買上來不代表


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這個資金或是說後續的資金


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會有意圖要


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收復失土,繼續往上進攻


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這還要看後續的走勢怎麼樣


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用一根K棒就要


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說他是一個反轉


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有點太武斷了


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而且這個長下影線


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雖然很多人說他就是一個大反彈的象徵


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但如果你仔細的回測過


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你會發現多的是長下影線之後


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崩跌


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或者是說長上影線之後


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繼續往上漲


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他只是代表


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盤中有曾經進攻過


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或是說曾經下跌過後來被推回來


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就這樣子的意思而已


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我認為是這樣


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那本波美股下跌呢


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因為其實美股參與的散戶


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跟我們台灣的環境


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比起來,他們參與的散戶


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是相對少的


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所以說


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本波大量的下跌


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其實可以解讀成說


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是因為ETF這些基金


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他們在作怪


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因為基金其實是很多散戶在買


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那今天如果發生恐慌的時候


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散戶要贖回


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這些買基金的人要贖回


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這些基金


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那基金經理人他們就必須要去


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把這個基金對應的股票給看了


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那如果說很多人一起贖回的時候


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那幾對一樣,門很小大家都要衝出去


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那在股票的狀況呢


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如果今天門很小就是沒有人接


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沒有人接,可是一堆人要賣


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那當然就是大跌


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以台股的狀況來說呢


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目前的狀況是


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因為美債的殖利率創新低


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這個殖利率倒掛


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資金緊翹


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其實目前的資金都是往


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避險的商品去流動


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全世界資金都往美元的資產去跑


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美元指數也創新高


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大家就想說


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台股最近被賣了兩千多億元


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這幾天被賣了兩千多億元


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是不是外資要


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棄守台股往外跑了


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目前看來我認為不完全


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還要再觀察


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因為台幣的匯率


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對美金的匯率還在


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升值


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已經連續三升了


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就如果說他們把股票賣掉


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他們是要逃離台灣的話


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台幣應該是要貶的


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而且


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這些外資


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如果把股票賣掉


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他們的錢是不能夠


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在台幣帳戶裡面停太久的


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會被金管會邀去喝茶


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所以說一般來說他們如果


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賣掉了他們不把錢匯走的話


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他們早晚是要回來股市裡面的


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所以下禮拜


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我們可以觀察看看說


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到底匯率會怎麼走


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就可以大概知道外資的動向


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但是也不代表說


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譬如說外資往外跑


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台股就要崩盤了


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也沒有這樣啦


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因為其實台股所謂我們本土的


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作手本土的大戶


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買贏外資認錯也是很常見的


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所以外資他最多


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就是一個指標


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大家看看就好了


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那這個武漢疫情


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現在大家就很好奇說


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他到底會不會


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再有很可怕的後續影響


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其實


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現在甚至有一些說法是這樣


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說其實搞不好很多人早就已經


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得過了武漢肺炎


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新冠狀病毒只是因為


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症狀有些人是輕症


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有些人根本就是沒有症狀


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就可能就痊癒了那個血液裡面


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就有抗體了


340

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到底有多少人得到


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其實我是認為


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你現在再看你就知道說


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很多時候他驗的好幾次是隱形


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最後面他驗出是陽性


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可能很多人根本就得到


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驗不出來


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但我認為也不用太恐慌


348

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因為以目前


349

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至少以我們周邊國家


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或是拿台灣的例子來看


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致死率不是太高


352

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那以中國的例子來看


353

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雖然很多人講說中國一定是做假資料


354

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他的致死率


355

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怎麼可能這麼低


356

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他們一定死了很多人


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焚化爐一定24小時在燒


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其實我覺得這樣的說法


359

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當然就是基於對於中國政權的不信任


360

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可是這樣也會有一個問題


361

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因為對中國政權的不信任


362

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所以所有的陰謀論都會看起來很合理


363

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那因為所有陰謀論看起來很合理


364

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很多時候在中國股市


365

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像大家把他們看很壞


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結果中國股市


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在他們開盤最低點


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新春開盤最低點


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就一路往上軋


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你把中國看很壞他反而把你軋壞了


371

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那你有多少錢給他軋


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很多時候是這樣


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你看對譬如說


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共產黨真的會倒掉中國真的會滅亡好了


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最糟的狀況


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可是你在錯的時間


377

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進去放空他你還是被他軋到


378

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可能你先破產了


379

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那可能共產黨10幾年後才倒


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這很有可能


381

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最近的股市的走勢


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甚至是看起來是這樣


383

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中國的股市一路在創高


384

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好像他們生病的不是他們


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他們比較像是恐慌了之後


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生病的其實不是他們


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他們一路往上漲


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那反而歐美這邊


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跌了之後反彈又不像樣


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又繼續往下跌


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特別是歐洲的股市也很慘


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看起來好像他們更嚴重


393

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或是說更害怕


394

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那目前這個武漢肺炎


395

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他其實


396

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造成的影響會


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非常大這其實大家一開始就知道


398

00:14:49,539 --> 00:14:51,539

但是只是台股這邊


399

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可能很多人講說


400

00:14:53,539 --> 00:14:55,539

會有轉單的效應


401

00:14:55,539 --> 00:14:57,539

可能也沒有料


402

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那或者說你有料


403

00:14:59,539 --> 00:15:01,539

但是你沒有需求


404

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因為目前中國的停工


405

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還是很嚴重


406

00:15:05,539 --> 00:15:07,539

我在PTT的版上


407

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我是看到很多人


408

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他們的風向是比較


409

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很討厭中國


410

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你只要講中國的東西


411

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你不是講壞的大家會噓你


412

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我也不是要幫中共說話


413

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但是我就分享一下


414

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我自己認識的


415

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在中國工作的朋友


416

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他們講的說法


417

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比如說其中一位是說


418

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他們的工廠預計


419

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3月15號才可以開工


420

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很多人講說


421

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中共人民不值錢叫你回去上班


422

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大部分看到的


423

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網路討論跟新聞是這樣說


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不過我自己朋友的例子


425

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他就還在台灣


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因為大的廠


427

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國際大廠可能沒有辦法


428

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養的人太多了一定要你回去


429

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所以他們就用很嚴格的方法


430

00:15:53,539 --> 00:15:55,539

盡可能的去


431

00:15:55,539 --> 00:15:57,539

減少疫情造成的破壞


432

00:15:57,539 --> 00:15:59,539

但是要你們回去上班


433

00:15:59,539 --> 00:16:01,539

但是小廠的做法


434

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他們就完全不一樣


435

00:16:03,539 --> 00:16:05,539

他反而不讓你回來


436

00:16:05,539 --> 00:16:07,539

你就是繼續放假


437

00:16:07,539 --> 00:16:09,539

3月15號可不可以開工


438

00:16:09,539 --> 00:16:11,539

也還不知道


439

00:16:11,539 --> 00:16:13,539

到目前為止都還不知道


440

00:16:13,539 --> 00:16:15,539

所以這一波在中國工作的朋友


441

00:16:15,539 --> 00:16:17,539

他們就說


442

00:16:17,539 --> 00:16:19,539

可能會倒蠻多廠的


443

00:16:19,539 --> 00:16:21,539

因為真的撐不下去


444

00:16:21,539 --> 00:16:23,539

你不要講大公司


445

00:16:23,539 --> 00:16:25,539

甚至講一般的老百姓沒有存款的


446

00:16:25,539 --> 00:16:27,539

你現在在家裡放無薪假


447

00:16:27,539 --> 00:16:29,539

你要怎麼付你的車貸


448

00:16:29,539 --> 00:16:31,539

你要怎麼付你的房貸


449

00:16:31,539 --> 00:16:33,539

你要怎麼去消費


450

00:16:33,539 --> 00:16:35,539

很多人是沒有存款的


451

00:16:35,539 --> 00:16:37,539

本來大家說2020是5G年年


452

00:16:37,539 --> 00:16:39,539

會有大量的手機的需求


453

00:16:39,539 --> 00:16:41,539

或是說


454

00:16:41,539 --> 00:16:43,539

電動車的需求


455

00:16:43,539 --> 00:16:45,539

車市可能會重新的反彈


456

00:16:45,539 --> 00:16:47,539

但現在看起來


457

00:16:47,539 --> 00:16:49,539

因為肺炎的關係


458

00:16:49,539 --> 00:16:51,539

除了中國之外


459

00:16:51,539 --> 00:16:53,539

也在全世界造成影響


460

00:16:53,539 --> 00:16:55,539

放無薪假的也很多


461

00:16:55,539 --> 00:16:57,539

像我以前飛行員同事


462

00:16:57,539 --> 00:16:59,539

幹機師的朋友就分享


463

00:16:59,539 --> 00:17:01,539

他們現在


464

00:17:01,539 --> 00:17:03,539

班表排出來


465

00:17:03,539 --> 00:17:05,539

很多人放假是放到20幾天


466

00:17:05,539 --> 00:17:07,539

月飛時可能有些人只飛個位數


467

00:17:07,539 --> 00:17:09,539

就真的沒有客人可以飛了


468

00:17:09,539 --> 00:17:11,539

很多人因為這樣子


469

00:17:11,539 --> 00:17:13,539

沒有辦法拿到薪水


470

00:17:13,539 --> 00:17:15,539

是不是就可能


471

00:17:15,539 --> 00:17:17,539

會造成消費的緊縮


472

00:17:17,539 --> 00:17:19,539

這個是我們後續要比較注意的


473

00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:21,539

就是本來第一波


474

00:17:21,539 --> 00:17:23,539

只有中國生病的時候


475

00:17:23,539 --> 00:17:25,539

大家是看會不會有轉單的效應


476

00:17:25,539 --> 00:17:27,539

到現在全球都這樣之後


477

00:17:31,539 --> 00:17:33,539

已經比較少人


478

00:17:33,539 --> 00:17:35,539

在聚焦於轉單了


479

00:17:35,539 --> 00:17:37,539

可能開始要注意消費緊縮


480

00:17:37,539 --> 00:17:39,539

可能會不會造成後續的影響


481

00:17:39,539 --> 00:17:41,539

這個美股跟台股


482

00:17:41,539 --> 00:17:43,539

在現在的狀況


483

00:17:43,539 --> 00:17:45,539

到底要怎麼操作比較好


484

00:17:45,539 --> 00:17:47,539

其實如果說你是


485

00:17:47,539 --> 00:17:49,539

資產配置


486

00:17:49,539 --> 00:17:51,539

或是所謂的


487

00:17:51,539 --> 00:17:53,539

被動投資的人


488

00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:55,539

你是不用管每天的漲漲跌跌


489

00:17:55,539 --> 00:17:57,539

反正指數


490

00:17:57,539 --> 00:17:59,539

終究是往上走的


491

00:17:59,539 --> 00:18:01,539

隨著人類的經濟發展


492

00:18:01,539 --> 00:18:03,539

終究是往上走的


493

00:18:03,539 --> 00:18:05,539

按月買金


494

00:18:05,539 --> 00:18:07,539

或是按季買金


495

00:18:07,539 --> 00:18:09,539

去平均你的成本


496

00:18:09,539 --> 00:18:11,539

平滑化


497

00:18:11,539 --> 00:18:13,539

你追求的是市場的報酬


498

00:18:13,539 --> 00:18:15,539

對這些人來說是沒有關係的


499

00:18:15,539 --> 00:18:17,539

但對於比較主動投資的人


500

00:18:17,539 --> 00:18:19,539

現在這個時間


501

00:18:19,539 --> 00:18:21,539

是不是一個進場的好機會


502

00:18:21,539 --> 00:18:23,539

我認為就是


503

00:18:23,539 --> 00:18:25,539

有好幾種說法


504

00:18:25,539 --> 00:18:27,539

我自己歸納出來的


505

00:18:27,539 --> 00:18:29,539

說法是兩種


506

00:18:29,539 --> 00:18:31,539

一種是肺炎


507

00:18:31,539 --> 00:18:33,539

會嚴重的打擊全球的經濟


508

00:18:33,539 --> 00:18:35,539

會造成大型的投資機構


509

00:18:35,539 --> 00:18:37,539

或是銀行倒閉


510

00:18:37,539 --> 00:18:39,539

就跟之前發生的金融危機一樣


511

00:18:39,539 --> 00:18:41,539

出現流動性的風險


512

00:18:41,539 --> 00:18:43,539

讓整個股市崩盤


513

00:18:43,539 --> 00:18:45,539

可能一蹶不振


514

00:18:45,539 --> 00:18:47,539

個幾年


515

00:18:47,539 --> 00:18:49,539

這是最慘的狀況


516

00:18:49,539 --> 00:18:51,539

比較好的狀況就是肺炎會受到控制


517

00:18:51,539 --> 00:18:53,539

避險的資金最後面就會


518

00:18:53,539 --> 00:18:55,539

回去股市


519

00:18:55,539 --> 00:18:57,539

資金也會離開美元商品


520

00:18:57,539 --> 00:18:59,539

就開始去往全球去跑


521

00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:01,539

這是比較好的狀況


522

00:19:01,539 --> 00:19:03,539

但是不管如何


523

00:19:03,539 --> 00:19:05,539

這一波肺炎


524

00:19:05,539 --> 00:19:07,539

已經至少確定會


525

00:19:07,539 --> 00:19:09,539

對於電子產品的需求


526

00:19:09,539 --> 00:19:11,539

一定會造成一定程度的傷害


527

00:19:11,539 --> 00:19:13,539

所以這是要注意的


528

00:19:13,539 --> 00:19:15,539

目前很多的台商


529

00:19:15,539 --> 00:19:17,539

大家可能會比較開始去注意


530

00:19:17,539 --> 00:19:19,539

在中國有設廠的台商


531

00:19:19,539 --> 00:19:21,539

是不是大家要去閃


532

00:19:21,539 --> 00:19:23,539

這點是要注意


533

00:19:23,539 --> 00:19:25,539

因為現在雖然開始復工了


534

00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:27,539

但是並不代表


535

00:19:27,539 --> 00:19:29,539

復工之後就不會出狀況


536

00:19:29,539 --> 00:19:31,539

雖然這樣講可能不得人疼


537

00:19:31,539 --> 00:19:33,539

但是現在的台商


538

00:19:33,539 --> 00:19:35,539

他們都會開始去做


539

00:19:35,539 --> 00:19:37,539

如果說復工之後


540

00:19:37,539 --> 00:19:39,539

產線上有一個人生病


541

00:19:39,539 --> 00:19:41,539

那這個產線就停下來


542

00:19:41,539 --> 00:19:43,539

當這種新聞傳回股市


543

00:19:43,539 --> 00:19:45,539

我認為當天吃一根5%


544

00:19:45,539 --> 00:19:47,539

甚至跌停


545

00:19:47,539 --> 00:19:49,539

也不是太意外的事情


546

00:19:49,539 --> 00:19:51,539

所以只要在中國有廠的


547

00:19:51,539 --> 00:19:53,539

都還是有這樣的風險


548

00:19:53,539 --> 00:19:55,539

特別是越靠近湖北省的


549

00:19:55,539 --> 00:19:57,539

甚至在湖北省裡面


550

00:19:57,539 --> 00:19:59,539

武漢市的


551

00:19:59,539 --> 00:20:01,539

就會有這樣的風險


552

00:20:01,539 --> 00:20:03,539

所以大家要注意


553

00:20:03,539 --> 00:20:05,539

但是其他在台灣設廠的


554

00:20:05,539 --> 00:20:07,539

這樣湖北就沒事


555

00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:09,539

也不一定


556

00:20:09,539 --> 00:20:11,539

因為剛剛前面講的消費警說


557

00:20:11,539 --> 00:20:13,539

或者是說沒有料


558

00:20:13,539 --> 00:20:15,539

你叫不到料


559

00:20:15,539 --> 00:20:17,539

那還是會受影響


560

00:20:17,539 --> 00:20:19,539

所以在操作上


561

00:20:19,539 --> 00:20:21,539

我覺得現在這樣的狀況


562

00:20:21,539 --> 00:20:23,539

已經有點像是瞎子摸象


563

00:20:23,539 --> 00:20:25,539

你很難去知道事情的全貌


564

00:20:25,539 --> 00:20:27,539

所以技術分析


565

00:20:27,539 --> 00:20:29,539

還是有一點用處的


566

00:20:29,539 --> 00:20:31,539

也就是說既然


567

00:20:31,539 --> 00:20:33,539

你沒有辦法知道


568

00:20:33,539 --> 00:20:35,539

你的部位該怎麼處理


569

00:20:35,539 --> 00:20:37,539

那你不如就看市場


570

00:20:37,539 --> 00:20:39,539

的風向來決定你要怎麼處理


571

00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:41,539

最簡單的做法


572

00:20:41,539 --> 00:20:43,539

就是看你的股市是不是走入了


573

00:20:43,539 --> 00:20:45,539

空頭排列


574

00:20:45,539 --> 00:20:47,539

也就是說你的


575

00:20:47,539 --> 00:20:49,539

比如說周均線、月均線


576

00:20:49,539 --> 00:20:51,539

季均線的排列


577

00:20:51,539 --> 00:20:53,539

是不是已經變成是說


578

00:20:53,539 --> 00:20:55,539

周均線在最下面、月均線在上


579

00:20:55,539 --> 00:20:57,539

季均線在最上面


580

00:20:57,539 --> 00:20:59,539

那就是完全的進入空頭了


581

00:20:59,539 --> 00:21:01,539

所以要做一個V型的反轉


582

00:21:01,539 --> 00:21:03,539

走回多頭


583

00:21:03,539 --> 00:21:05,539

其實不是一個太容易的事情


584

00:21:05,539 --> 00:21:07,539

所以如果今天你的


585

00:21:07,539 --> 00:21:09,539

你的部位已經遇到這樣的狀況的話


586

00:21:09,539 --> 00:21:11,539

那或許就可以考慮說


587

00:21:11,539 --> 00:21:13,539

是不是


588

00:21:13,539 --> 00:21:15,539

除非這個資金是完全沒有用的


589

00:21:15,539 --> 00:21:17,539

但你還是很相信說


590

00:21:17,539 --> 00:21:19,539

這個疫情過去會很好


591

00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:21,539

那當然你就是繼續的持有


592

00:21:21,539 --> 00:21:23,539

但如果說你是有融資的


593

00:21:23,539 --> 00:21:25,539

或者說你是比較短線的


594

00:21:25,539 --> 00:21:27,539

那如果你看到走勢不對的時候


595

00:21:27,539 --> 00:21:29,539

這時候你其實也不用太


596

00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:31,539

太在意新聞到底寫了什麼


597

00:21:31,539 --> 00:21:33,539

因為市場已經把答案告訴你了


598

00:21:35,539 --> 00:21:37,539

所以該跑的


599

00:21:37,539 --> 00:21:39,539

還是要跑啦


600

00:21:39,539 --> 00:21:41,539

那很多人其實現在還是很看好說


601

00:21:41,539 --> 00:21:43,539

因為川普他把


602

00:21:43,539 --> 00:21:45,539

美股的漲勢當成政績


603

00:21:45,539 --> 00:21:47,539

其實也不是只有川普啦


604

00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:49,539

你知道我們的政府也是在做一樣的事情


605

00:21:49,539 --> 00:21:51,539

那只是因為川普他現在要選舉了


606

00:21:51,539 --> 00:21:53,539

所以很多人看好說


607

00:21:53,539 --> 00:21:55,539

川普選舉這個股市會


608

00:21:55,539 --> 00:21:57,539

政策做多


609

00:21:57,539 --> 00:21:59,539

你也知道他很常去


610

00:21:59,539 --> 00:22:01,539

施壓聯準會降息


611

00:22:01,539 --> 00:22:03,539

雖然說現在目前的


612

00:22:03,539 --> 00:22:05,539

他一直想說美國的經濟是很好很好


613

00:22:05,539 --> 00:22:07,539

可是還是不停


614

00:22:07,539 --> 00:22:09,539

瘋狂的在降息


615

00:22:09,539 --> 00:22:11,539

不停的瘋狂的在印鈔票


616

00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:13,539

所以說川普


617

00:22:13,539 --> 00:22:15,539

會不會政策做多


618

00:22:15,539 --> 00:22:17,539

讓美股再創新高


619

00:22:17,539 --> 00:22:19,539

現在很多人的想法


620

00:22:19,539 --> 00:22:21,539

其實是認為說會的


621

00:22:21,539 --> 00:22:23,539

也就是說我們現在跌得這麼重


622

00:22:23,539 --> 00:22:25,539

他們甚至覺得說你跌越重越好


623

00:22:25,539 --> 00:22:27,539

因為最後面往上彈的力量就越大


624

00:22:27,539 --> 00:22:29,539

並且


625

00:22:29,539 --> 00:22:31,539

相信在川普選舉的時候


626

00:22:31,539 --> 00:22:33,539

美國會破三萬點


627

00:22:33,539 --> 00:22:35,539

繼續創新高


628

00:22:35,539 --> 00:22:37,539

這是一種說法


629

00:22:37,539 --> 00:22:39,539

那我是認為說


630

00:22:39,539 --> 00:22:41,539

在股市裡面我們不要有太多的


631

00:22:41,539 --> 00:22:43,539

預測


632

00:22:43,539 --> 00:22:45,539

因為其實預測不準


633

00:22:45,539 --> 00:22:47,539

雖然說歷史很常會一直在發生


634

00:22:47,539 --> 00:22:49,539

但是在股市裡面


635

00:22:49,539 --> 00:22:51,539

你很常見到的是


636

00:22:51,539 --> 00:22:53,539

例子不會用完全一樣的方式發生


637

00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:55,539

所以當你怎麼預期它


638

00:22:55,539 --> 00:22:57,539

它可能就不會照你的方式走


639

00:22:57,539 --> 00:22:59,539

當目前是最恐慌的時候


640

00:22:59,539 --> 00:23:01,539

股市是大反彈的


641

00:23:01,539 --> 00:23:03,539

當目前大家覺得說


642

00:23:03,539 --> 00:23:05,539

好像還好的時候股市開始大跌


643

00:23:05,539 --> 00:23:07,539

很多時候都是這樣子的狀況


644

00:23:07,539 --> 00:23:09,539

所以不要有太多的想像


645

00:23:09,539 --> 00:23:11,539

最好還是見機行事


646

00:23:11,539 --> 00:23:13,539

如果說


647

00:23:13,539 --> 00:23:15,539

最後面市場的走法


648

00:23:15,539 --> 00:23:17,539

跟你的劇本不太一樣的話


649

00:23:17,539 --> 00:23:19,539

那最好就先收手


650

00:23:21,539 --> 00:23:23,539

最簡單的做法就是不要借錢


651

00:23:23,539 --> 00:23:25,539

不要借錢炒股


652

00:23:25,539 --> 00:23:27,539

不要把太多的


653

00:23:27,539 --> 00:23:29,539

資金一次投入


654

00:23:29,539 --> 00:23:31,539

這是比較保險的做法


655

00:23:31,539 --> 00:23:33,539

那如果還有什麼樣的想法


656

00:23:33,539 --> 00:23:35,539

或是意見歡迎在留言


657

00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:37,539

或是私訊跟我說


658

00:23:37,539 --> 00:23:39,539

那我們就在下一期的節目繼續跟大家討論


659

00:23:39,539 --> 00:23:41,539

就這樣啦,掰



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